Curse

Spartan2 · Jun 01, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28

So, Flee, if you are walking to your vehicle and you get run over by someone going way over the speed limit, is it your fault? You knew the dangers of walking to your car; there are inherant dangers in every part of life, inherant risks you must accept whenever you are doing anything.

They aren't hating the game, only the players that deem it necessary to con others out of their valued time; it takes time to amass items in game to convert them so as to better your character and make the game more enjoyable, time that these "con artists" are taking away from the casual players that are so excited to finally be getting their hard earned item, to finally see that the Superior rune of vigor is only a minor, is a very disappoiting feeling filled with a slowly growing, all-consuming rage against those that have to steal from others because they feel they must, that there is no other way to go about it. It is not sloth or insipidity that causes this to happen, a mere rush of exctasy may override the previous controll that you had been exercising up to that point. Not all people are as sure of themselves in trading as you claim to be with your cold-hearted reply; they simply want the protection in trading to be more apparent so when someone makes a change or the likes of any of these scams occur, they will be aware of it; when a game is a means of escape and cool down from the chaotic world of life, we do not want those that make our days miserable to follow us into paradise.

Flee · Jun 02, 2005, 01:27 AM // 01:27

worst. analogy. ever.

To simplify my statement for you...

Take responsibility for YOUR actions. if you dont verify the items then don't blame the game design or the scammer. The only reason you got scammed is cuz you clicked accept.

Flee · Jun 02, 2005, 01:31 AM // 01:31

And yes, when walking accross the street, LOOK BEFORE YOU WALK. The driver would not get charged if some dillhole stepped out in front of him. So, indeed, you getting hit is your own fault.

Spartan2 · Jun 02, 2005, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Flee, your responses have been troll-like. I came expound in numerous ways on the otherside of the argument and I bet you could also ellaborate a great deal on your thesis, however, please reign in your inflammatory remarks. My conversation ends with you as of this post. This is a warning to you in the future: continue to produce posts that incite argumentative flames or are in the bounds of doing so and the moderators will be forced to step in. I am sorry I addressed your bait, I will not do so in the future.

jaythespacehound · Jun 02, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54

not really a scam but jeez I hate leechers.
You know those people who join you in a mission then just stand at the start and hope you finish it for them?

Schorny · Jun 02, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Spartan2

Flee, your responses have been troll-like.

Imagine you buy something in reallife, would you check what you bought before paying or afterwards?

Flee hasn't trolled. Please don't offend people just because they think different than you.

Of course scamming is annoying, it should be punished, etc. But if you got scammed it was your own fault (except it was a bug).

And I do feel sorry for someone who got scammed, but it IS your own responsibility to double check what you are buying... You do it in reallife too. If I buy something expensive I check the bill if they charged me the right amount etc. In reallife you do this not because you are afraid of scamming (at least I'm not - I normally trust the companies I buy from) but because mistakes happen. In an online game - you know that there are people that want to scam you - so why not double check? It costs you nothing but a half second...

Changing the game to make it easier to see if you are getting scammed is a good, there is no good reason why someone don't want that to happen (at least, I haven't found one...). But these changes are not number one priority.

Flee · Jun 02, 2005, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Thank you Schorny.

No, I don't like scamming. It should not be done. But it is. I was saying that it takes 2 people to complete a scam. The scammee is just as at fault as the scammer. Instead of blaming him for you getting scammed, use you brain and protect yourself.

My posts are semi-Troll like, but I am not looking for an argument. I was just annoyed but the abundance of people thinking they weren't at fault for getting scammed.

caveat emptor....

Lalii · Jun 02, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I'm ot sure if this has been mentioned yet, but theres a few people wandering around claiming that platinum gold dye is now available and selling it for 3k+. I'm not sure how successful they've been but some people will no doubt be convinced if they're new to the game...hopefully the price will deter them.

Algren Cole · Jun 02, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by Lews

In pre-sear, everyone tried to scam you for dye. For the heck of it, I just shouted 'Black dye, um, whats a good amonunt? 50 gold!' And around 500 people whispered me.

Ofcourse I've also bought black and silver gold for under 200 gold there, but thats just welcoming players to Guild Wars!

I'm a frugal man...especially when it comes to RPGs...I love them but unfortunately more of them are awful than those that are worth the money. So I spent a good amount of time reading about Guild Wars before I purchased. I played the noob world as an informed noob...and admit to using that to my advantage. Like you I purchased some black and silver dye for under 200 gold....and I spent a good amount of time in towns looking for good deals on dye and immediately turning around and selling it for twice as much. Hey if we can't take advantage of the noobs who can we take advantage of?

Mavrik · Jun 02, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

I have been very cautious when even being tempted to buy something from another player on the whole basis that I could get scammed. Ran into a guy yesterday wanting $4000 for a single bottle of black dye. Now of course I didn't buy it, I didn't even have $1000 gold pieces yet lol.

Its almost to bad there is not a list of suggested reasonable prices for items people wish to sell or trade so that we can all see if its way over priced or reasonable... And yeah, that your buying the right item your being told you are.

Spartan2 · Jun 03, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Ok... just to see where everyone stands on this who is responsible, the consumer or the scammer.... who do you think should pay in this situation:
A local man bought a dream home for his wife and kids. It probably cost him a good sum of money but it is perfect: swimming pool, large home, large amount of acrage, and pefect condition house and yard. They believed that this was a great deal, but someone in County Appraisal made a goof. Apparently they had not appraised the house in over 12 years, so now the new home owners are being held reliable for the sum of $10,000 in addition to what they are already payed for the house. The previous owner is not having to pay 1 penny for what happened and as of right now neither does the County; most likely the previous home owner was unaware of the error but he may have been fully aware: the only way these backtaxes can pile up is if the home owner makes improvements to the home without reporting them. The county, while it is admitting that they made the mistake, is still saying that the new home owners must pay the bill. So, who should pay: New owners (they were scammed), the County (they goofed but want to make a profit out of their idiocy), or the Old Owners (they illegally added on to a house and shirked the bill)?

If you are trying to get a rise out of someone, then you are trolling. All of Flee's posts are troll-like. While it isn't necessarily all the scammers fault, if someone were not scamming in the first place, no one would be complaining. There will always be trustworthy to a fault type people in this world and there will always those that try to take advantage of them. I place blame more on the latter because the former do not need the responses that you give. They do not help. Words of encouragement keep people going after being scammed; those of negativity and ones near scathing are not welcome and tend to breed hatred.
"I was in the wrong place and the wrong time but that does not make it right for them to steal from me."

FireOfHell · Jun 03, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

I've seen worse scams than the red dye one. I almost got fooled by one when buying a superior vigor, some guy puts in a sup. vig, i see it then he says "just a sec" then closes window and opens again. He puts a MINOR vior in there (looks the same) then i almost hit accept, but then noticed it thank god.

stikle · Jun 04, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Someone is currently trying to sell a roll of parchment for 100 "bucks" as a sigil...

Ollj · Jun 04, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

General trading ethics down the drain.

Buyer says "ok i buy for that price" but doesnt, tries to scam me with less repediately with insults, and thats not just one buyer.

Sereng Amaranth · Jun 04, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Navaros

i got scammed like this today

i posted screenshots proving the whole scam to the devs. here is the response i got from a GM:

which basically is just a polite way to say that NCSoft knows this is a scam, but doesn't care. NCSoft clearly has has a pro-scammer policy when it comes to Guild Wars.

perhaps scamming should be promoted on the GW boards as a way to make gold, since NCSoft is fine with it and it's totally legal according to them

So what you're saying is basically its ok to cheat at the mission, but to be scammed while trying to cheat at the mission is not ok?

Algren Cole · Jun 06, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartan2

Ok... just to see where everyone stands on this who is responsible, the consumer or the scammer.... who do you think should pay in this situation:
A local man bought a dream home for his wife and kids. It probably cost him a good sum of money but it is perfect: swimming pool, large home, large amount of acrage, and pefect condition house and yard. They believed that this was a great deal, but someone in County Appraisal made a goof. Apparently they had not appraised the house in over 12 years, so now the new home owners are being held reliable for the sum of $10,000 in addition to what they are already payed for the house. The previous owner is not having to pay 1 penny for what happened and as of right now neither does the County; most likely the previous home owner was unaware of the error but he may have been fully aware: the only way these backtaxes can pile up is if the home owner makes improvements to the home without reporting them. The county, while it is admitting that they made the mistake, is still saying that the new home owners must pay the bill. So, who should pay: New owners (they were scammed), the County (they goofed but want to make a profit out of their idiocy), or the Old Owners (they illegally added on to a house and shirked the bill)?

If you are trying to get a rise out of someone, then you are trolling. All of Flee's posts are troll-like. While it isn't necessarily all the scammers fault, if someone were not scamming in the first place, no one would be complaining. There will always be trustworthy to a fault type people in this world and there will always those that try to take advantage of them. I place blame more on the latter because the former do not need the responses that you give. They do not help. Words of encouragement keep people going after being scammed; those of negativity and ones near scathing are not welcome and tend to breed hatred.
"I was in the wrong place and the wrong time but that does not make it right for them to steal from me."

uhm....The Title Insurance Company you purchased your ALTA or EAGLE Insurance Policy through would be responsible for paying the $10,000....are you saying I can get an Insurance Policy against scammers?

Algren Cole · Jun 06, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Mavrik

I have been very cautious when even being tempted to buy something from another player on the whole basis that I could get scammed. Ran into a guy yesterday wanting $4000 for a single bottle of black dye. Now of course I didn't buy it, I didn't even have $1000 gold pieces yet lol.

Its almost to bad there is not a list of suggested reasonable prices for items people wish to sell or trade so that we can all see if its way over priced or reasonable... And yeah, that your buying the right item your being told you are.

4000g is a reasonable price for Black Dye...........

SOT · Jun 07, 2005, 07:22 AM // 07:22

nope, it isn't

SOT · Jun 07, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

The best solution to scammers is to boycott them altogether. The only advantage I see to buying ANYTHING from another player is to avoid a hunt for whatever said item is. This of course, is a near and dear cousin to cheating in my opinion. Just run through the g-d quest and save your purples, yellows and blues, and salvage/sell all the white crap to an npc. The game characters WILL not put you all through this obviously annoying and controverisal player mechanic of gw.

I don't deal with anyone outside my guild at all anymore, and I have not yet been scammed.

Svenn · Jun 07, 2005, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by SOT

nope, it isn't

Yep, it is. Sold my black dye to the DYE TRADER last night for 4,397g.